Comments on: What Not To Wear, Religious Edition: Supreme Court of Michigan Adopts Rule Allowing Judges to Exercise “Reasonable Control Over the Appearance of Parties and Witnesses” Based Upon Niqab Case http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/ Nearly all of us root for fairness, not for our own sex. - Nicholas Kristof Tue, 07 Feb 2012 15:26:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: A Primer on ‘Hijab Debate 2009′. « Human Rights in Ireland http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/comment-page-1/#comment-5797 A Primer on ‘Hijab Debate 2009′. « Human Rights in Ireland Wed, 09 Sep 2009 08:33:45 +0000 http://feministlawprofessors.com/?p=11449#comment-5797 [...] in Toronto ( in the context of a sexual assault case) in Georgia, and in Michigan, as outlined at feministlawprofessors.  Similar issues of idenification arise in relation to crime (the Daily Mail warns of [...] [...] in Toronto ( in the context of a sexual assault case) in Georgia, and in Michigan, as outlined at feministlawprofessors.  Similar issues of idenification arise in relation to crime (the Daily Mail warns of [...]

]]> By: Savage Minds on the Internets | Savage Minds http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/comment-page-1/#comment-5301 Savage Minds on the Internets | Savage Minds Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:56:17 +0000 http://feministlawprofessors.com/?p=11449#comment-5301 [...] Michigan Supreme Court Amendment to all state courts’ operating procedures that Judges can enforce certain dress codes to verify witnesses’ identity or to assess their demeanor.  This basically upholds the decision of a lower court judge who threw out a case brought by [...] [...] Michigan Supreme Court Amendment to all state courts’ operating procedures that Judges can enforce certain dress codes to verify witnesses’ identity or to assess their demeanor.  This basically upholds the decision of a lower court judge who threw out a case brought by [...]

]]> By: bob coley jr http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/comment-page-1/#comment-5290 bob coley jr Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:19:52 +0000 http://feministlawprofessors.com/?p=11449#comment-5290 Sorry! And the Michigan Supreme Court fell for the trap! Thanks for the link Colin. Sorry! And the Michigan Supreme Court fell for the trap! Thanks for the link Colin.

]]> By: bob coley jr http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/comment-page-1/#comment-5289 bob coley jr Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:16:46 +0000 http://feministlawprofessors.com/?p=11449#comment-5289 From the tone of the words recorded in the transcript, the judge tried to be understanding while at he same time informative. The plaintiff seemed uninterested in the lawsuit, somewhat dismissive of the judicial process in this country, used faulty arguments to bring the case, fully intended it as a challenge to the court and not to seek relief. Seems like somebody saw this as a chance to grandstand and the MiChigan From the tone of the words recorded in the transcript, the judge tried to be understanding while at he same time informative. The plaintiff seemed uninterested in the lawsuit, somewhat dismissive of the judicial process in this country, used faulty arguments to bring the case, fully intended it as a challenge to the court and not to seek relief. Seems like somebody saw this as a chance to grandstand and the MiChigan

]]> By: Colin Miller http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/comment-page-1/#comment-5287 Colin Miller Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:48:56 +0000 http://feministlawprofessors.com/?p=11449#comment-5287 Bob, here is the transcript from the case: http://volokh.com/files/ginnahmuhammad.pdf Bob, here is the transcript from the case:

http://volokh.com/files/ginnahmuhammad.pdf

]]> By: bob coley jr http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/comment-page-1/#comment-5284 bob coley jr Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:14:52 +0000 http://feministlawprofessors.com/?p=11449#comment-5284 This has a few questions that need answering that have bearing on the use of this case as a freedom of religion issue in Ms Mohamed's original case. Was her testimony all there was as proof to a break-in? What were the terms in the signed rental agreement? Was her testimony, or lack of, enough to decide the case fairly? We seem to have separate issues here. In this case (the $300 liability one) it would seem her testimony would not eliminate liability. Did she refuse any other options for true identifications? Did the court offer any? If this judge overstepped, what did he do wrong? There are so many unknowns here I can't even fathom forming any legitimate thoughts on any of it. And there is always the arguments (as stated in many places that would know) that most of our freedoms are not absolute. And that nonverbal clues are subjective to the viewer and as such may be misinterpreted anyway. We hear the couching of witnesses' physical messages to judge and jury all the time. So back to the dismissal; was the case dismissed SOLELY for refusal to reveal her face, and if so is it a violation of the constitution as it applies to this case? This has a few questions that need answering that have bearing on the use of this case as a freedom of religion issue in Ms Mohamed’s original case. Was her testimony all there was as proof to a break-in? What were the terms in the signed rental agreement? Was her testimony, or lack of, enough to decide the case fairly? We seem to have separate issues here. In this case (the $300 liability one) it would seem her testimony would not eliminate liability. Did she refuse any other options for true identifications? Did the court offer any? If this judge overstepped, what did he do wrong? There are so many unknowns here I can’t even fathom forming any legitimate thoughts on any of it. And there is always the arguments (as stated in many places that would know) that most of our freedoms are not absolute. And that nonverbal clues are subjective to the viewer and as such may be misinterpreted anyway. We hear the couching of witnesses’ physical messages to judge and jury all the time. So back to the dismissal; was the case dismissed SOLELY for refusal to reveal her face, and if so is it a violation of the constitution as it applies to this case?

]]> By: Femmostroppo Reader - June 20, 2009 — Hoyden About Town http://www.feministlawprofessors.com/2009/06/what-not-to-wear-religious-edition-supreme-court-of-michigan-adopts-rule-allowing-judges-to-exercise-reasonable-control-over-the-appearance-of-parties-and-witnesses-based-upon-niqab-case/comment-page-1/#comment-5281 Femmostroppo Reader - June 20, 2009 — Hoyden About Town Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:18:44 +0000 http://feministlawprofessors.com/?p=11449#comment-5281 [...] What Not To Wear, Religious Edition: Supreme Court of Michigan Adopts Rule Allowing Judges to Exerci... [...] [...] What Not To Wear, Religious Edition: Supreme Court of Michigan Adopts Rule Allowing Judges to Exerci… [...]

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