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	<title>Comments on: Where are the Women?  Not in 78% to 88% of NYU Law Review&#8217;s Publication Slots</title>
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		<title>By: Bitter News, 11-18-09 &#124; Bitter Lawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bitter News, 11-18-09 &#124; Bitter Lawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 20:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8226; It’s already gender genocide out there with mammography being ripped away from middle-aged ladies, but can we at least get some serious mammary representation up in the NYU Law Review already?&#160; Geez.&#160; [Feminist Law Professors] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8226; It’s already gender genocide out there with mammography being ripped away from middle-aged ladies, but can we at least get some serious mammary representation up in the NYU Law Review already?&nbsp; Geez.&nbsp; [Feminist Law Professors] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ann Bartow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Bartow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some law reviews have had outsiders investigate why women are underrepresented in their pages. And in every case that I am aware of the consultants found gender bias on the part of the student editors, and suggested ways to mitigate same. Given the tenor of comments from Drew and others purporting to have served on the NYU Law Review that were too rude to publish,  I have little doubt gender bias is an issue there too. I&#039;d have a whole lot more respect for the NYU Law Review if they underwent this kind of outside review, but that might mean taking responsibility for things people like Drew would rather blame on women&#039;s inferiority, so I&#039;m not holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some law reviews have had outsiders investigate why women are underrepresented in their pages. And in every case that I am aware of the consultants found gender bias on the part of the student editors, and suggested ways to mitigate same. Given the tenor of comments from Drew and others purporting to have served on the NYU Law Review that were too rude to publish,  I have little doubt gender bias is an issue there too. I&#8217;d have a whole lot more respect for the NYU Law Review if they underwent this kind of outside review, but that might mean taking responsibility for things people like Drew would rather blame on women&#8217;s inferiority, so I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
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		<title>By: randerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>randerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a comment responding to issues raised in the post by Drew on Nov. 11, 2009 at 11:02 am.  I will pick up this issue where Bridget Crawford left off in her post from Nov. 19, 2009 at 8:50 am because I have spent some time studying this subject.

Some categories of authors, for example women, are underrepresented in law reviews.  There is research to support this claim.  For example, Cynthia Grant Bowman, Dorothy Roberts &amp; Leonard Rubinowitz have a great discussion of this issue in their article &quot;Race and Gender in the Law Review&quot; (100 Nw. U.L. Rev. 27 (2006)) about the history of underrepresentation of women and minorities in the pages of the Northwestern Law Review.  Minna Kotkin also did a multi-journal study in her article &quot;Of Authorship and Audacity: An Empirical Study of Gender Disparity and Privilege in the &#039;Top Ten&#039; Law Reviews (http://ssrn.com/abstract=1140644) that supports this claim.  

I also wrote about this issue in my article &quot;From Imperial Scholar to Imperial Student: Minimizing Bias in Article Evaluation by Law Reviews&quot; (From Imperial Scholar to Imperial Student: Minimizing Bias in Article Evaluation by Law Reviews, 20 Hastings Women&#039;s Law Journal 197 (2009), available at http://ssrn.com/abstract=1117764).  In this article, I argue that there is systemic bias against &#039;dissent scholarship&#039; and for &#039;safe scholarship&#039; and that this systemic - but not necessarily consciously intentional - bias is one factor that can help explain why women are underrepresented in the pages of law reviews.

This is excerpted from my article:
For example, safe legal scholarship prior to the 1960s and arguably into the 1970s and 1980s conformed to a worldview that developed out of the values, norms, and experiences of the predominantly white, male, heterosexual (or at least not openly homosexual), middle or upper-middle class members of the legal academy.  I define dissent scholarship as the expression of disagreement with or rejection of established ideologies or methodologies or both.  It is often coupled with the presentation of conceptual alternatives.  Safe scholarship and dissent scholarship are not static categories so their substance evolves and changes over time.  

Here I should note that I do not assume that a scholar is writing dissent scholarship simply because the author is a woman.  However, it does seem likely that women may often be writing dissent scholarship if they write from a perspective that does not stem from a worldview that has being white, male, heterosexual (or at least not openly homosexual), middle or upper-middle class as its starting point.

Assuming that you accept the evidence that there is systemic bias that contributes to the exclusion of scholars from the pages of law reviews based on gender, the question is: Why is there systemic bias?

The following is a block quote from my article:
&quot;The application of the economic theory of network effects, which will be discussed in greater detail in Section III.C., Network Effects, suggests explanations for a systemic bias.  First, the more scholars there are who conform to contemporaneous standards for safe scholarship, the more attractive it is for other scholars.  Second, the more legal scholars write articles that conform to contemporaneous standards for safe scholarship, the more likely it is that law reviews will continue to value and publish safe scholarship.  Third, the more law reviews publish articles that conform to contemporaneous standards for safe scholarship, the more useful it becomes for legal scholars to acquire skills associated with safe scholarship.  Fourth, the more scholars acquire the skills associated with safe scholarship, the greater the incentive is for legal scholars to produce scholarship that is compatible with contemporaneous safe scholarship.  Fifth, the more safe scholarship is written and published, and the more law students, lawyers, and academics are trained in the ideologies and methodologies of contemporaneous safe scholarship, the more inexorable the conclusion that one&quot;must&quot;adhere to the standards of whatever has achieved the status of safe scholarship at any given time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a comment responding to issues raised in the post by Drew on Nov. 11, 2009 at 11:02 am.  I will pick up this issue where Bridget Crawford left off in her post from Nov. 19, 2009 at 8:50 am because I have spent some time studying this subject.</p>
<p>Some categories of authors, for example women, are underrepresented in law reviews.  There is research to support this claim.  For example, Cynthia Grant Bowman, Dorothy Roberts &amp; Leonard Rubinowitz have a great discussion of this issue in their article &#8220;Race and Gender in the Law Review&#8221; (100 Nw. U.L. Rev. 27 (2006)) about the history of underrepresentation of women and minorities in the pages of the Northwestern Law Review.  Minna Kotkin also did a multi-journal study in her article &#8220;Of Authorship and Audacity: An Empirical Study of Gender Disparity and Privilege in the &#8216;Top Ten&#8217; Law Reviews (<a href="http://ssrn.com/abstract=1140644" rel="nofollow">http://ssrn.com/abstract=1140644</a>) that supports this claim.  </p>
<p>I also wrote about this issue in my article &#8220;From Imperial Scholar to Imperial Student: Minimizing Bias in Article Evaluation by Law Reviews&#8221; (From Imperial Scholar to Imperial Student: Minimizing Bias in Article Evaluation by Law Reviews, 20 Hastings Women&#8217;s Law Journal 197 (2009), available at <a href="http://ssrn.com/abstract=1117764" rel="nofollow">http://ssrn.com/abstract=1117764</a>).  In this article, I argue that there is systemic bias against &#8216;dissent scholarship&#8217; and for &#8216;safe scholarship&#8217; and that this systemic &#8211; but not necessarily consciously intentional &#8211; bias is one factor that can help explain why women are underrepresented in the pages of law reviews.</p>
<p>This is excerpted from my article:<br />
For example, safe legal scholarship prior to the 1960s and arguably into the 1970s and 1980s conformed to a worldview that developed out of the values, norms, and experiences of the predominantly white, male, heterosexual (or at least not openly homosexual), middle or upper-middle class members of the legal academy.  I define dissent scholarship as the expression of disagreement with or rejection of established ideologies or methodologies or both.  It is often coupled with the presentation of conceptual alternatives.  Safe scholarship and dissent scholarship are not static categories so their substance evolves and changes over time.  </p>
<p>Here I should note that I do not assume that a scholar is writing dissent scholarship simply because the author is a woman.  However, it does seem likely that women may often be writing dissent scholarship if they write from a perspective that does not stem from a worldview that has being white, male, heterosexual (or at least not openly homosexual), middle or upper-middle class as its starting point.</p>
<p>Assuming that you accept the evidence that there is systemic bias that contributes to the exclusion of scholars from the pages of law reviews based on gender, the question is: Why is there systemic bias?</p>
<p>The following is a block quote from my article:<br />
&#8220;The application of the economic theory of network effects, which will be discussed in greater detail in Section III.C., Network Effects, suggests explanations for a systemic bias.  First, the more scholars there are who conform to contemporaneous standards for safe scholarship, the more attractive it is for other scholars.  Second, the more legal scholars write articles that conform to contemporaneous standards for safe scholarship, the more likely it is that law reviews will continue to value and publish safe scholarship.  Third, the more law reviews publish articles that conform to contemporaneous standards for safe scholarship, the more useful it becomes for legal scholars to acquire skills associated with safe scholarship.  Fourth, the more scholars acquire the skills associated with safe scholarship, the greater the incentive is for legal scholars to produce scholarship that is compatible with contemporaneous safe scholarship.  Fifth, the more safe scholarship is written and published, and the more law students, lawyers, and academics are trained in the ideologies and methodologies of contemporaneous safe scholarship, the more inexorable the conclusion that one&#8221;must&#8221;adhere to the standards of whatever has achieved the status of safe scholarship at any given time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wojo&#039;s observation about the math is correct.  I will adjust the post accordingly and show where I make the correction.

Thank you, Drew, for your comment.  My intention with this post was to make the observation, not draw conclusions.  I ask, &quot;What&#039;s going on,&quot; because it does seem that women&#039;s representation among contributors to this particular volume 84 is low in proportion to their representation in the academy and in the law school student population.  I don&#039;t have enough information to draw conclusions about the reasons that women are not published at the same rate as men in this volume.

To the extent that a similar pattern might be observed across multiple journals at multiple schools (and one could read what Drew refers to as &quot;apocalyptic reports&quot; as single observations), I think it is worthwhile to ask - and to investigate - whether bias of some kind could be at work, whether alone or in conjunction with other factors.  The subject merits rigorous study, which I do not claim to have done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wojo&#8217;s observation about the math is correct.  I will adjust the post accordingly and show where I make the correction.</p>
<p>Thank you, Drew, for your comment.  My intention with this post was to make the observation, not draw conclusions.  I ask, &#8220;What&#8217;s going on,&#8221; because it does seem that women&#8217;s representation among contributors to this particular volume 84 is low in proportion to their representation in the academy and in the law school student population.  I don&#8217;t have enough information to draw conclusions about the reasons that women are not published at the same rate as men in this volume.</p>
<p>To the extent that a similar pattern might be observed across multiple journals at multiple schools (and one could read what Drew refers to as &#8220;apocalyptic reports&#8221; as single observations), I think it is worthwhile to ask &#8211; and to investigate &#8211; whether bias of some kind could be at work, whether alone or in conjunction with other factors.  The subject merits rigorous study, which I do not claim to have done.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for this post&#039;s author, a question that comes to mind every time I read this blog&#039;s apocalyptic reports on the gender of authors in any one issue of one law review.  Do you mean this report to simply highlight the underrepresentation of women, or do you mean to imply some sinister motive behind that underrepresentation? Here, at least, when you ask &quot;what&#039;s going on at NYU,&quot; it seems you are implying that bias is afoot. Of course, you might not be--you might be thinking that something else is going on, such as fewer submissions by women.  

I&#039;m honestly wondering, because if you do not mean to imply bias then it would put to rest the frustration that this blog&#039;s use of statistics out of context inspires in me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for this post&#8217;s author, a question that comes to mind every time I read this blog&#8217;s apocalyptic reports on the gender of authors in any one issue of one law review.  Do you mean this report to simply highlight the underrepresentation of women, or do you mean to imply some sinister motive behind that underrepresentation? Here, at least, when you ask &#8220;what&#8217;s going on at NYU,&#8221; it seems you are implying that bias is afoot. Of course, you might not be&#8211;you might be thinking that something else is going on, such as fewer submissions by women.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m honestly wondering, because if you do not mean to imply bias then it would put to rest the frustration that this blog&#8217;s use of statistics out of context inspires in me.</p>
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		<title>By: wojo</title>
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		<dc:creator>wojo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a quibble with the math: if you&#039;re going to take out Justices O&#039;Connor and Ginsburg from the numerator (5-2 = 3), then I think you have to take those slots out of the denominator as well (24 - 2 = 22), so the true percentage is 13.6%.

Obviously, my quibble doesn&#039;t change the basic fact of sever underrepresentation, which I think Prof. Crawford captures in her final sentence, and which I agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a quibble with the math: if you&#8217;re going to take out Justices O&#8217;Connor and Ginsburg from the numerator (5-2 = 3), then I think you have to take those slots out of the denominator as well (24 &#8211; 2 = 22), so the true percentage is 13.6%.</p>
<p>Obviously, my quibble doesn&#8217;t change the basic fact of sever underrepresentation, which I think Prof. Crawford captures in her final sentence, and which I agree with.</p>
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		<dc:creator>uberVU - social comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ann Bartow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann Bartow</dc:creator>
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