But once you retreat she can recover most if not all of Berserker's lives via God Hand for they regenerate once 3 days have passed yet the immunity to the A rank noble phantasm that was required to actually penetrate God's Hand remain. Anything from close to mid-far range (as long as he can be seen by Lancer) would be too disadvantageous for Archer to win. Summoning him as another class does have some pros and cons but you exchange some pros for some different cons. Ilya if she did not fight at the castle could always use a command seal, order Hercules to rescue her and return them to the castle and retreat in a way that she would survive almost any confrontation. He might not be as strong (physically) as when he was in the Berserker class but this technique alone should make up for that and even more. I don't think he would have an issue with that. Remember most of Okeanos is just "Herc is after you, run!" Breaking chains that could hold a god is something he did anyway. Heracles is a simple but effective Servant, and his Bond Craft Essence choices are also quite easy to pick. Press J to jump to the feed. Almost nothing is strong enough to destroy all 12 lives with God's Hands + Battle Continuation A rank that hercules has. He would even got poison arrows to boost it too. Thus, Heracles has an insane amount of endurance, and even skilled opponents like Archer only manage to take a few lives before falling. The downside is that Buster cards have the lowest NP generation. Come join the hundreds of thousands of Masters on your grand journey. Same thing with the War God's Sash. As for what would happened, that's already been answered by everyone else-while he wouldn't be absolutely invincible, in his optimal class of Archer the only servants that could realistically take him on are Gilgamesh and Karna. nope nemean lion nullify manmade weapon. He might even have the War God's Sash, and without Alcides' hatred of the gods, he'd be willing to boost his stats to match his Berserker form without the drawbacks of Mad Enhancement. Heracles(ヘラクレス, Herakuresu?, Hercules), Class Name Berserker(バーサーカー, Bāsākā? —Mad Warrior and Heroic Spirit of Berserker Rage. Have fun and enjoy your stay. Superior to Gilgamesh in every way if not for maybe gate of babylon hax. and shown to always mispronounces Charon's name which annoys him, and causes more problems than he can solve. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. As Beserker it would be fitting and make him even more durable (no weapon can pierce the hide). The victory condition are death or KO. Archer Herc would be fucking broken, with God Hand and the Nemean Pelt nullifying anything below A rank on top of anything made by humans. Berserker is well known, Archer is from strange fake and is so much much cooler. Eye of the Mind (True): B A danger-avoidance ability that utilises the intelligence collected up to the current time as the basis , in order to predict the opponent’s activity and change the current situation. Not necessarily strongest, but out of all the classes Archer suits Hercules best, because his legend is all about him overcoming challenges by being smart and resourceful. VS Saber: Unless she is sniped due to having to protect her master while he is acting like a brainless idiot, Archer is pretty much screwed. Archer Herc would be fucking broken, with God Hand and the Nemean Pelt nullifying anything below A rank on top of anything made by humans. Archer/Saber Heracles is in the Gilgamesh tier and as a result isn't a character we can just expect to pop up, it has to be something really crazy for him to not ruin any drama in the story just by existing. Pretty sure its stated somewhere that Heracles is strongest in the Archer class. Also, he should've just stolen the Gate. so not like there's much of a difference lol. Just imagine Heracles in Saber class, he could potentially spam Nine Lives Blade Work (or something similar). Essentially, still broken but possibly even more so. Do not discount how powerful god hands is. He would have access to the inherent Magic Resistance, have his reasoning back, and be able to use the Bow of Hydra (check out Prisma Illya for what I assume is the Bow being used) and may still have God Hand. Provided that Shirou doesn't participate in the Holy Grail War to instigate Archer's attempt at assisted suicide, Archer is an excellent Servant all around. archer heracles (narita said he wanted nasu to handle the raw archer-ness of heracles)" So the 5th Lostbelt is... • r/grandorder reddit (edited by EX Luck Icarus) You mean the version of him that is Hercules but also the son of Zeus at the same time. Exiled Messenger (Exile) Apparel, Archer, Armor, Equipment, Hercules' Might, Japan, Korea, Mob Drops, NA/EU, Vendor. Fuck everyones shit up until he realised Ilya was going to die if he won the grail and then herc would fuck the whole grail war up and kidnap shirou so that Ilya could live the rest of her life with her onii-chan on a tropical paradise island. Not to mention perfect motor control and unhindered intellect. Overall, Heracles will want to either improve his offensive capacity through Craft Essences that grant Buster Performance Up and/or Starting NP Gauge, or bolster his survivability with Guts Status and/or Evade/Invulnerability. For everything related to Fate/stay night or its spin-offs. Remember anything that is an A rank noble phantasm or attack could remove lives is not going to go through all 12 instantly. they were sick of being crossed and didnt want him to be capable of betraying them. And why berserker lost in Heavens Feel, well the dark grail and the shadow and such are things that servants just can't deal with. Even the things that can destroy it require multiple hits and you could always retreat before the 2nd blow is landed. Berserkers have a base star absorption of 10. Welcome to /r/grandorder, the central hub for Fate/Grand Order and all things related to the Fate franchise. 6 Best: Archer. But there's one Heroic Spirit that if he was summoned to other class he would be unbeatable. He may be a bit of a sourpuss but Archer is relatively easy to get along with. ), Knight of the Bow and Heroic Spirit of the Bow(弓兵の英霊? is the Archer-class Servant of Rin Tohsaka in the Fifth Holy Grail War of Fate/stay night. Furthermore, most Buster-type Servants are Berserkers, which have low defenses, s… Archer(アーチャー, Āchā?) Gil would have been absolutely screwed. Fight takes place in Fuyuki city and surrounding area. In "real" mythology, Heracles was the son of Zeus and a Demi-God. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. here comes mind's eye to dodge the fatal attack and in even a case you managed to attack him he activate God's hand and you need to kill him twelve times in a different manned each time. He is one of the Servants of Ritsuka Fujimaru of the Grand Orders conflicts of Fate/Grand Order. I'm actually surprised he didn't get a Neiman Lion Phantasm (or passive). Remember Tokiomi did not know of other noble phantasms of other servans like the reality marble of Iskandar, that is why he used Kirei's Kotomine assassin to learn of these abilities prior to attacking with Gilgamesh. Archer(アーチャー, Āchā? Edit: never mind. And if used correctly not even the fate version of berserker would have been defeated by Saber and Shirou. Also probably access to NPs or Skills that are more related to his Divinity. So there's a thread about what if Sasaki was summoned into Saber class instead of Assassin class. Everyone is kinda OP. Also he likely fully utilize his War Belt and have Divinity, making him even more broken as he would get a ton of stat boosts from it. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the fatestaynight community. Very hard to kill, want to attack him? Gilgamesh besides possessing multiple ways to kill Berserker also possessed a noble phantasm that allowed him to fly, and another noble phantasm to levitate. So recently I tried to calculate the parameters of Heracles in his other classes due to the fact that early Nasu seemed to tease in the Fate/Side Material that he is far grander in other classes than he is in Berserker and FGO has done nothing more than bring this topic up more & more with several voice lines from characters like Medea Lily, Roma, Stheno & Chiron. Berserkers have a base death rate of 65%. Day 0 [edit | edit source]. Good thing no one on this list has imperial privilege, lol. They excel in breaking down strong, high-HP targets, especially boss Servants in Grand Battles. I assumed it was a skill. EMIYA(エミヤ?) He is also known for taking nothing seriously, but excuses it with his belief that "life is too short for it" or that it is better to "lighten up". Archery uniforms look far different today than in Victorian England, but competitive archery remains popular among women. Snipes or he is a goner. He'd be second only to the Grand Archer, assuming he isn't it. The Einzbern pretty much shot themselves in the foot by summoning him in a Berserker class instead of Saber or Archer class. (While I agree with what you said you need to understand the Eisenberg's strategy completely prior to disagreeing with it.). Combining these factors, Archer Heracles is considered to be among the strongest Heroic Spirits. Sure, his stat is upgraded but I don't really think it worth the sacrifice of Noble Phantasm. You expect the Eisenbergs to prepare a defense against such an unknown servant when even the servant summoner's did not know of the awesomeness of Gilgamesh let alone a catalyst existed that could summon this monster. Even as berserker, there were only two servants that can possibly beat hercules: gilgamesh and saber. Heck, he couldn't even use his signature NP/Technic Nive Lives. Crazed warriors that have lost almost all traces of their sanity in exchange for great power.— Berserkers have a base damage multiplier of 1.1x. Unless we use Nine Lives as Nine Lives: Blade Works, the … If you count Alcides (the Archer form of Heracles Alter in Fate/strange fake ), Heracles has even more potential classes and powers, further cementing his already-tremendous might. Also, I believe God Hands would be active regardless of what class he summoned into. 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